tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post6175141613360824483..comments2024-01-01T17:07:33.375-08:00Comments on Atomic Warlords: Chaos BiasMarcus the Blackhearthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04188895276631758426noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-27820461553154895922014-05-16T14:45:34.177-07:002014-05-16T14:45:34.177-07:00No one said Chaos isn't bad. No one was screa...No one said Chaos isn't bad. No one was screaming about anything. The point was that they've been made villains in their own codex, which goes against all the other 40K rules and traditions.<br /><br />And the <i>rulebook</i> is about the Imperium and it's enemies. The <i>codexes</i> are about how each army is the "right" way to go in the world of 40K. <b>That</b> is an inarguable fact. Virtual Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01040333093180694172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-66170894866252521652014-05-14T09:49:15.272-07:002014-05-14T09:49:15.272-07:00Yeah, the history is definitely fro the POV of the...Yeah, the history is definitely fro the POV of the Imperium. Which is unfortunate.<br /><br />I too, have libster'ed you!Green Stuff Industrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05856233000846206112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-63649275087027904972014-05-11T05:45:02.979-07:002014-05-11T05:45:02.979-07:00Some great points! I I miss that old codex.
Nomi...Some great points! I I miss that old codex. <br /><br />Nominated you for a Liebster, keep up the great work!<br /><br />http://juggersgarage.blogspot.com/2014/05/liebster-awards.htmljuggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08029858870949799124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-58279420915834350652014-05-01T23:41:19.733-07:002014-05-01T23:41:19.733-07:00The forces of Chaos are the unabashed villains of ...The forces of Chaos are the unabashed villains of the 40K universe; no question. The issue w/the most recent codex is that they are unabashedly so. They're the bad guys, and they're bad guys because they've made bad decisions. I hadn't really given it much thought until Pete pointed it out, but the language/tone of the book makes all the difference.<br /><br />I think I'd prefer the forces of Chaos be a bit more subtle in their evil-ness. Y'know, sorta like the Dark Side of the Force. It's a quicker, easier path to power that comes with a set of consequences (apparent or hidden). I like the Magneto example - he doesn't see himself as a villain. I bet Abbaddon doesn't either - he's fighting for what he thinks is right, and he made some deals with some powerful folks to see his vision through.<br /><br />"Death to the False Emperor" is MUCH more compelling to me than "Let the Galaxy Burn". But at the end of the day, I s'pose I'd settle for either one...Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02241658572407691666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-83830453499307628742014-05-01T00:23:29.823-07:002014-05-01T00:23:29.823-07:00I don't think anyone is saying Chaos isn't...I don't think anyone is saying Chaos isn't evil. They are a bunch of selfish psycho and/or sociopaths.<br /><br /> If all the codices were written from a Imperial point of view, sort of a threat assessment type of thing, that would be fine. But they aren't. All of them except for Chaos glorify the army they are describing. <br /><br />I would like to see their codex written from a perspective of why they are driven to do what they do. Very few villains see themselves as such.<br /><br />Of course 40K is and has always been about the struggle of the Imperium of man. As well it should be. One of the great elements of the story is the parallels between the Imperium and Chaos. One is a heartless machine that grinds up the bodies and souls of thousands of its followers every day, the other is the powers of Chaos. Marcus the Blackhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04188895276631758426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-12330884642696208112014-04-30T18:46:56.422-07:002014-04-30T18:46:56.422-07:00This article is kinda cool, but it is silly to arg...This article is kinda cool, but it is silly to argue that Chaos is/are not bad. Was it each mans choice to become a servant to his chosen chaos god? Yes. Would anyone argue that trading an increase in power for say...giant painful pustules or oddly placed tentacles a bad choice...again I think that few would disagree. In any case, most of the individuals did not make a choice, but rather followed a leader type that they were loyal to beyond the point of no return...unwittingly. <br /><br />On top of all of this...Warhammer 40k is about the Imperium and its enemies (the bad guys). That is an unarguable fact. You can scream til you're blue in the face, but that is how it is. Biodon13/RedWidowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247697697062151643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-66237362724894722072014-04-30T15:38:55.468-07:002014-04-30T15:38:55.468-07:00Exactly. Joining the ruinous powers is a bad idea,...Exactly. Joining the ruinous powers is a bad idea, and will only end badly, we get it. BUT I want to see it from their point of view with a lot less mustache twirling. Marcus the Blackhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04188895276631758426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-91170836120789211372014-04-30T15:24:21.585-07:002014-04-30T15:24:21.585-07:00yes! This isn't a recent trend though, the 2nd...yes! This isn't a recent trend though, the 2nd Edition Chaos codex (which is actually the first chaos codex) is a great read, but it still comes across that Chaos is a result of foolish choices rather than a deliberate trading of your soul for power. I think the saving grace of that codex is that although the Chaos guys are obviously damned, and perhaps fools, they are at least BADASS MEAN COOL HARLEY RIDING DAEMON WORSHIPPING RADICAL DUDES!. As opposed to the bunch of whining losers with Daddy issues the current Codex describes.<br /><br />Knight of Infinite Resignationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680099835726778306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-38717803887562520392014-04-30T14:49:50.636-07:002014-04-30T14:49:50.636-07:00Well put. Abnett's description of the Blood Pa...Well put. Abnett's description of the Blood Pact and Sanguinary is that of a people who have never lived under the Imperium, or only did so in the distant distant past.Arianna Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12261679769849430770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8473115843829010429.post-56889833788012098852014-04-30T13:58:27.766-07:002014-04-30T13:58:27.766-07:00You sir, make excellent points throughout this art...You sir, make excellent points throughout this article, and it why I can't get into any of the recent 40k stuff. A lot of the writing, specifically the Horus Heresy, pushes you to hate Chaos with a passion, and thus make you want to hate the Space Marines even more! It is quite a conundrum. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words.JonnyFathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05615638267671977418noreply@blogger.com